You have what I call a 'Trade Brand Name' shotgun but that is not technically true. A 'Trade Brand Name' shot is one that was made by a major maker for and was sold by a wholesale sporting goods dealer, a retail chain store or an independent seller (your local hardware store) who chose the name to go on the gun. A NEW BAKER MODEl shotgun (an outside hammer type) was made by the Baker Gun And Forging Company of Syracuse New York (1887 to 1919) The BAKER NEW MODEL was made from 1887 to 1894 (I have serial number-year made tables for this gun). Crescent Fire Arms Company did not start making Baker shotguns until 1920. A serial number if there is one will be stamped on the bottom of the barrels or the flat part of the receiver which is known as the watertable.
These were well made fairly inexpensive shotguns selling for between $15 to $25 new. Current value will depend on the guns condition, the amount of original finish remaining on the metal and wood as well as the mechanical condition.
A Prime condition example (rare as as,these guns were used hard and received little care or maintenance) that appears to have come out of the factory yesterday afternoon might bring as much as $125 while a rusty and pitted metal, rotten or broken wood and missing parts piece of junk fit only for salvage of parts or as a whiskey still stirring stick might bring as little as $10 if it could be sold at all. Then sentimental value can't e calculated can it? Thanks for posting your pics and congrats on owning a Baker, even it is a little ruff. If you haven't already found the site, you might check out The site includes a little history that helps explain why some people associate Baker with one city and other folks place him in another city. Baker was quite a fellow and got around quite a bit. Evidently, he often got around just a few steps in front of the law. The most notorious example is probably the night he had to climb out the window of the hotel where he was staying to avoid arrest!
More well documented is the lawsuit by Stevens against Baker Gun for patent infringement. My interest stems from the fact that my late wife's uncle worked for Baker and eventually retired from it's successor. I learned a great deal in talking with him, including the stories about clearing out all the company records and throwing them in the trash! A few years ago, circa 1995, there was a young guy who was trying to write a history of the company and its guns.
I haven't heard from him in years and haven't seen the book anywhere so I guess that it has not been published. As far as I know, there is nothing like a Baker Collector's Club, but several years ago I met some folks through the L.C. Smith Collectors Association who knew a great deal about Baker guns. The is a collector's market for Baker guns, but it's very limited, the higher end models are the most sought after, and condition means everything. Do a search for Baker Batavia Leader and you'll find quite a range of prices. There is also someone out there selling reproductions of a Batavia Gun metal advertising sign as well as the 1915 catalog.
Well, best of luck and thanks again for posting. Baker designed and was associated with several pre-1900 double gun companies prior to 1900; and although I can't remember all the company associations, after selling his interest in one of those companies, he started a new company manufacturing his 'New Baker' model hammer gun (I think W.H. Baker died in 1888 not too long after starting this company?). With the exception of the last post, most of the above information is horse feathers, therefore I would discount what has been posted.
I suggest you visit doublegunshop.com and post your pics and questions there; and specifically to the attention of Daryl Halquist who is a long-time Baker collector and knows more about Baker shotguns that anyone alive today. Another poster there, 'Researcher', knows tons of history on W.H.
Baker and his associations; and both men will gladly share the information they have gathered over many years. Best Regards, Tom. The Firearms Forum is on online community for all gun enthusiasts.
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$300 FTF in Illinois with valid FOID. Face to face in Illinois would be best. I am not an FFL or C+R, so FTF would be best. This is a BAKER BATAVIA LEADER double-barrel shotgun. This was made between 1909 and 1919, I believe, made in Batavia, New York.
Here's what I could find out: The Baker Gun & Forging Co. Had a line of double barrel shotguns, sidelocks, called Batavia guns in 1903. They had, in 1909, 'The Baker Gunner,' the 'Batavia Leader' with twist barrels at $25, the 'Batavia Special' with steel barrels at $21.75, the 'Batavia Damascus' at $28, the 'Batavia Brush' at $24, the 'Batavia Ejector' at $35. This gun in the pics is the BATAVIA LEADER as you can see. The Batavia line did not have the 'firing pin block safety' or the 'draw block' which passes through the barrel lug and into the frame.
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The sidelock 'Black Beauty' replaced the Batavia Special, Leader, and Damascus guns about 1916. The Batavia Leader number series were from 75,000 to about 106,000. This one is 786XX, which puts it in the early days. Binding of isaac rebirth mods.
Now, Baker Gun & Forging sold the business to H.& D. Folsom in 1919 and then the guns were marked 'Baker Gun Co.' As this one is not, I assume it is earlier than that. Baker did offer a 'Batavia Leader' however. Grades for these Folsom owned Baker Guns were the 'Batavia Leader,' 'Black Beauty Special,' 'Paragon,' 'Expert,' and 'DeLuxe.' Folsom listed the Black Beauty Special for $62 -$77 with ejectors, the Paragon $100 -$115, the Expert for $215, and the DeLuxe for $385. Folsom era Bakers usually have an F before or after the serial numbers 1- about 14,000 so again, I believe this one is before that.
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H & D Folsom Arms Co. Firmware upgrade huawei echolife hg520c. 23, 25, and 31 (1929-1930) only list the Batavia Leader and Black Beauty Special.
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By 1932 they had no more Baker Guns. Baker Gun Co. Was closed in 1930 and the factory started making car parts.
About 150,000 Baker guns were produced prior to the Folsom ownership. So based on the above, I believe this is a 1909 - 1919 gun. This gun has plenty of wear, and a light patina, and a few little rust spots in the one photo near the forearm. It has some small chips to the wood near the trigger guard. This has a chip to the lower portion of the buttplate and the wood (toe?) at that point of the stock.
This is OLD, and and the info I have found on the internet says that you don't want to shoot a gun this old unless checked by a gunsmith first.an expert gunsmith who knows these old guns and can tell you if it is safe. Please see the pictures. If you need more photos, shoot me an email and I can send you more. Am I asking too much? Book value is a bit more than the asking price.You need to list the condition of the bores, very important on this gun where condition is everything, and if I were you I'd try listing it on Doublegunshop.com Gunboards is tops for the regular run of C&Rs but for shotguns there are more folks interested in the older shotguns on that specialty. site. Standard 12 ga bores are.729 inch (cylinder bore), a full choke is.694, modified.710 and Improved Cylinder.720 inches.
If you have an inside micrometer they're easy to measure but all dimensions may vary from 'standard'. If I wasn't a nice person I'd use the term 'gun snob'.